Curse

Kurow · Sep 19, 2005, 02:38 AM // 02:38

Upon thinking about the nature of humans and the effects of rational and emotional thought i came up with one conclusion that frankly i wouldnt like to be true.

The hypothesis i created is that created was that rational thought never lead directly to any pleasure or satisfaction, and that only through emotions can humans enjoy life.

This prompts other very scary thoughts, such as what good is ones life if it is not enjoyed, even if it is sacrificed for the good of the human race?

And a whole other plethora of questions...

Further explanation:
Rational thought is that which is not connected to emotion, but rather on analysis and actual thought. This can usually be connected to morals or ethics, as rational thought is what stops you from cheating on your girlfriend or stealing stuff from people, assuming that you think that these things are wrong.
An example of rational thought not yielding satisfaction is if one of your friends asks you to go to some crazy party, even though you know you have to get a good nights sleep tomarrow for work/test/school/ninjas, what ever. A person whos mind is not too privy to rational thought, which can also be said to be lack of inhabitions, etc. would not give much thought past the idea that this party would be a lot of fun and go ahead and go, and have lots of fun, but have a shitty nights sleep. The rational thought is to just not go to the party and go to bed. This does not completely accurately display the idea, but it gets the general idea out there.
When one makes a rational decision, like you decide that the reason the books that you dropped landed the way they did was because X variable and Y variable. Now normaly this would prompt some satisfaction in their masterful thinking, but that in itself is emotion. With out that feeling there is no joy in the discovery.

Without emotion, you have no joy, but without rational, your chances of leading a reasonable life arent very good at all. One must find the balance in which they can succede in their life.

zehly · Sep 19, 2005, 02:40 AM // 02:40

Dude.. my mind.. cannot. WTF? You confused me. Nevermind, not hard to do. Hehehe. Can you explain a little more?

EchoSex · Sep 19, 2005, 02:42 AM // 02:42

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Originally Posted by Kurow

Upon thinking about the nature of humans and the effects of rational and emotional thought i came up with one conclusion that frankly i wouldnt like to be true.

The hypothesis i created is that created was that rational thought never lead directly to any pleasure or satisfaction, and that only through emotions can humans enjoy life.

This prompts other very scary thoughts, such as what good is ones life if it is not enjoyed, even if it is sacrificed for the good of the human race?

And a whole other plethora of questions...

Take Basic Psychology or buy "The Principals of Psychology" in any book store. You'll understand. It's really not complicated - you just have to remember you're an animal and programmed to survive and get what YOU want.

chris_nin00 · Sep 19, 2005, 02:42 AM // 02:42

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Originally Posted by Kurow

Upon thinking about the nature of humans and the effects of rational and emotional thought i came up with one conclusion that frankly i wouldnt like to be true.

The hypothesis i created is that created was that rational thought never lead directly to any pleasure or satisfaction, and that only through emotions can humans enjoy life.

This prompts other very scary thoughts, such as what good is ones life if it is not enjoyed, even if it is sacrificed for the good of the human race?

And a whole other plethora of questions...

That means you can't enjoy life if you don't have emotion.

Mistress Eyahl · Sep 19, 2005, 02:42 AM // 02:42

I like green

chris_nin00 · Sep 19, 2005, 02:45 AM // 02:45

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Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl

I like green

Gold>green

Avari Zi · Sep 19, 2005, 02:46 AM // 02:46

pfft pink is greater than all

EchoSex · Sep 19, 2005, 02:46 AM // 02:46

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Originally Posted by chris_nin00

Gold>green

Plutonium>Gold.

chris_nin00 · Sep 19, 2005, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by EchoSex

Plutonium>Gold.

getting scientific on us huh

uranium>plutonium

Mistress Eyahl · Sep 19, 2005, 02:49 AM // 02:49

Pink sux. Green ftw!

As to the OP.. you have just stumbled on what seperates us from animals. Congrats

Nice way of explaining it too.

Zaklex · Sep 19, 2005, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by chris_nin00

That means you can't enjoy life if you don't have emotion.

I disagree with that statement, not saying you're wrong, just disagree as the most enjoyable my life as been till now was when I was living under the logic rules all principal(aka Vulcan theory). [I say nothing to make fun of myself, it's all truth]. Has anything changed recently to think otherwise, not in the first 40 years and only time will tell if recent events will change my mind.

Kurow · Sep 19, 2005, 02:55 AM // 02:55

But what really made you happy? I doubt it was rationality.

Zaklex · Sep 19, 2005, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Kurow

But what really made you happy? I doubt it was rational.

You really want to know what it was that made me happy. It was the denial of all emotion, not denial, suppression. I didn't love, hate, or any of the other range of human emotions we have, and this was only 20 years ago. Emotion only causes pain and suffering in the end, if it brings happiness I haven't found it yet(and I'm married with 3 children).

Kurow · Sep 19, 2005, 03:07 AM // 03:07

Dear god sir, i question your ability to enjoy anything but pain with an outlook like that. I Believe that both emotion and rational are needed, much like joy and pain are needed. I sincerely doubt that you infact felt nothing, as i dont think taht it is possible without amazing time spent, and without some unnatural reasoning, and even if you did you would not be feel any enjoyment. Even with these aspects, i dont see why one would choose such a boring life. What i understand to be true is that without emotion or joy, a humans life is worth nothing to himself, only worthwile to that of others, who use his life to boost their own enjoyment.

I also wonder why one would not choose optimism, even if it were a complete lie. In what cases i can see, it does not hurt to have hope for the future, even if things are bad, assuming that you are not making any detrimental choices over it.

Zaklex · Sep 19, 2005, 03:11 AM // 03:11

Let us just say that I may change my theory, but only time is going to tell if the direction I'm heading will bring me happiness, so far I have been happy, but I and the other person involved both need time, lots of time and we have big decisions to make. So I really can't say now whether or not your statements are valid, I can only go with what I know and have felt.

chris_nin00 · Sep 19, 2005, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by Kurow

Dear god sir, i question your ability to enjoy anything but pain with an outlook like that. I Believe that both emotion and rational are needed, much like joy and pain are needed. I sincerely doubt that you infact felt nothing, as i dont think taht it is possible without amazing time spent, and without some unnatural reasoning, and even if you did you would not be feel any enjoyment. Even with these aspects, i dont see why one would choose such a boring life. What i understand to be true is that without emotion or joy, a humans life is worth nothing to himself, only worthwile to that of others, who use his life to boost their own enjoyment.

I also wonder why one would not choose optimism, even if it were a complete lie. In what cases i can see, it does not hurt to have hope for the future, even if things are bad, assuming that you are not making any detrimental choices over it.

I wish I was as smart as you. As for me I don't think they are even connected.

Avari Zi · Sep 19, 2005, 03:13 AM // 03:13

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Originally Posted by Zaklex

You really want to know what it was that made me happy. It was the denial of all emotion, not denial, suppression. I didn't love, hate, or any of the other range of human emotions we have, and this was only 20 years ago. Emotion only causes pain and suffering in the end, if it brings happiness I haven't found it yet(and I'm married with 3 children).

I believe part of life is about taking risks, if you supress these emotions, sure you might not feel pain and suffering, but you'll never find the happiness you think doesn't exsist. You seem very aware on the cons, so what does it hurt to try and obtain the pros? It's like being afraid to ask someone out, you already know the worst thing they can say is no.

Kurow · Sep 19, 2005, 03:14 AM // 03:14

If you are happy then you are feeling emotion.

And im not smart, i just think about this stuff way too much.

chris_nin00 · Sep 19, 2005, 03:16 AM // 03:16

So if you were born without touching, hearing, seeing, smelling, and tasting can you feel emotion? And if you don't have emotion, can you be happy?

EchoSex · Sep 19, 2005, 03:19 AM // 03:19

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Originally Posted by chris_nin00

So if you were born without touching, hearing, seeing, smelling, and tasting can you feel emotion? And if you don't have emotion, can you be happy?

If you had no sense, you wouldn't know better nor acknowlage your exsistance as you would not know language. Basicly, you would have returned to your origin - an animal. You would be thinking as an animal, only knowing that "something is happening." Hard to explain? Hell yes it is o_O